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Audrey Mack miraculously met the Lord and was saved in Collins, France in 1985. In 1986, she followed his direction to leave France and go to Bible school in Tulsa, Oklahoma. She graduated from Remote Bible Training Center at Victory World Mission and has been a ministry since 1987. Audrey was healed of bone cancer in 1999 and has a burning desire to bring the message of faith, grace, and healing to this generation. Her joy is to connect people with God's heart, teaching them how to walk with the Holy Spirit so that with his help they can become fruitful and fulfill their God-given destiny. Audrey is married to her husband Frederick, a successful general contractor, and they reside in Jacksonville, Florida. Go check out GoTel Ministries at Gotel.net.

SPEAKER_00 1:24

Welcome to the Pursuing Redemption Podcast with Heather Short.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

Thank you so much, Audrey, for coming on the Pursuing Redemption Podcast. We're excited to have you.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

I am very excited to be with you today.

SPEAKER_02 1:54

Yes. We would love to hear about your journey of coming to know the Lord in 1985 and then how you ended up going through ministry school here in Tulsa.

SPEAKER_01 2:04

Oh wow, that's uh well, we going 40 years ago. Yeah. Um I was a little heathen in the south of France.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

Um, and actually I'd like to start saying that when I was about probably seven years old, a neighbor asked me what I wanted to do when I grew up, and out of my little mouth, I said, I'm gonna travel all over the world, but I'm not gonna be a tourist, I'll be with the people. And that was it. But then growing up, I realized that I really had an interest for traveling. And so I went to the south to uh Cannes, which was it's like the Meka of, you know, um, you got five-star hotel, Lamborghini, you know, Ferrari, and so that's where you made the money. I went there, but then of course, um my life started to go the wrong direction. When with, you know, people, the people I was surrounded with were drug dealers, the pimps and the mafia, the prostitute, the night life people, and I found myself in a in a place where I wasn't going anywhere. I felt, you know, empty, hopeless, dirty, um, from one relationship to another. I mean, it was like a big, big mess. So I did go. I was at the time living in a small little apartment, um, but because I had decided to leave the night life, of course, I wasn't making the money anymore. And I so I had to reduce everything, and I was in a small little apartment, empty without any furniture, sleeping on the floor. That was my little beginning of trying to have a change in my life. And I felt so uh down, I went on a walk. It was a small little apartment that was in an area that was gonna be expended. It is now the make out of technology in the south of France, you know. But at the time it was acres and acres of land and woods with that small little building that was the prototype. And I'm there alone, and I thought, you know what? Um I don't know what I'm doing, I'm gonna go on a walk. So I decided to go on a walk, and my husband always laughs at me because I have zero sense of direction. So I walked and walked and got completely lost in the woods, and so finally the night is falling. It's about seven, eight o'clock in the evening. It's the day after my birthday, which I spent all by myself alone in an empty apartment. And so I walked for hours and um I'm like, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Panic sets in. I'm just like so in panic mode, and out of nowhere, two dogs came and sat in front of me and looked at me. And the interesting thing is it was a French poodle with a little um a little um rhinestone collar, I remember, and they a uh dog that leads the the sheep, you know. A sheep dog, yeah. And they were together. I don't know what they were doing in the woods, but they were together and they sat at my feet and looked at me, stared at me, literally, and peace came all over me, and I thought, this is strange, but I've just felt such a peace. So I went, I love dogs. So I went to pet the dogs, and the dogs got up and started to go in one direction. So I look and I'm thinking, okay, goodbye, dogs. And I go, I'm thinking, this is the other way. I go the other direction. The dogs come back, follow me, block, look at me as to say, follow us. So I'm like, I have nothing to lose. So I followed the dog, and that went on for a long time. Where they would walk, stop, look at me, walk, stop, look at me. And then finally, after I don't know how long that was, I saw lights through the woods. So I'm thinking, oh great, we are back into civilization. And the dog just was sitting down looking at me again, and so I reached my hand just to pet them again, and the dog disappeared in front of me. And I went, What is this? I mean, I really didn't understand any. I mean, I'm a little heathen who knows nothing about God, yeah, but I knew something supernatural. I was there was something very supernatural there, and so I followed the light, went through that the end, got on the little country road, and interestingly enough, there was a little convenience store opened on the side of the road. And why am I saying that? Because in France, 40 years ago, there was the fear of God, and on Sunday, everything was closed. And here it is on the side of the road on a Sunday evening, and it's like seven, eight o'clock at night, and there is a little store opened. And so I walk in, and there was a couple that got in to buy something and found out I was lost. So they said, Well, if you want to get with us in the car, we'll drop you on the way. And I'm like, Okay, great. I got in the car, they give me a little paper, and it's a yellow flyer, like a small little flyer, with a lettering in red that says, Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. And he was talking about a church in the south of France, Beausoley, and it had all the things, but this is what I remember. And then later on, I shared that with somebody, and I say, What do I do? What's going on? And they say, Well, I think that's God, you know. And I'm like, Well, if it's God, what do I do? So the person suggested that I get a hold of a Bible. Now, by now, a few weeks later, I got a hold of a Bible, but by now I had led that little apartment, and I'm now in with a friend of mine who is a prostitute, and and the deal was I was staying with her a few weeks before I could find another place, and I would watch her four-year-old daughter at night while she's doing her rounds. And so here I have a Bible, I'm in her house, put the daughter to bed, and I'm just I knelt next to the bed. That's I didn't know why, that seemed the holy thing to do, I guess. Yeah. So I knelt by the bed and I opened the Bible, and I don't, to this day, I don't know what I read, but the Spirit of God fell in the room, and all of a sudden I started to sob and I cried out to God. I don't know what I said, but at that moment I was born again. I felt I I cried and wept for I don't know how long, but at that moment something happened on the inside of me where I felt so clean, I felt so good, I felt such a sense of peace. And it's like I didn't hear a voice, but I just knew that everything was going to be okay. And and I was filled with a sense of love and peace and belonging. Even so that a few days later I remember walking across the kitchen, asking or to the Lord inside my heart, thinking, is this gonna last forever or are you gonna leave me like everybody else? And this time I literally heard, I will never leave you because you are mine. I will be with you forever. So at that moment, I received what I call the adoption. I was no longer an orphan, left by myself to fend for myself, to defend myself. I had a father.

SPEAKER_02 10:40

That is so, so good. So, can you speak a little bit to how God has led you in ministry to sort of focus on the different areas that you focus on?

SPEAKER_01 10:50

Ministry, well, that's you know, the neat thing. You remember that's why I kind of shared at the beginning that word that came out of my mouth as a small little girl, it came out of my spirit because the call of God was already before the foundation was in me. And so now I'm born again, and a few months later, in an other amazing God kind of way, I got connected with a couple of missionaries that had a little Bible study not far away from my house. Went to the Bible study, and that's another long story, but went there and got filled with the Holy Spirit, and it was not long after that that out of my mouth again came the words, I'm going to the United States in the fall. And I when I said that, I'm thinking, I am, and at that moment, I just knew that God was telling me that I was to pack my bag, give everything, leave everything, and pack my bag and go to the United States. I didn't know where, who, what, I just knew when. In the fall of 19, I believe it was 86 or 85, the fall of 85, I just knew that I was to go to the United States. I didn't know. So, to the best of my ability, I thought, well, what should I do? And I mean, immediately I told my landlord, I'm leaving. You know, I told my boss, gave the resignation. I was working for a little export, a little rinky-dink little export company, you know. And I gave me my resignation. And I'm thinking, well, if I go to the United States, what do I do? So I answered some ads as a nanny.

SPEAKER_02 12:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

And that time came, I got two answers. One for a nanny in San Francisco, another in New Jersey. I mean, it was rich family, uh, with uh I would have a car, I would have uh my own, you know, little quarter, living quarters, I would go on on exclusive vacation with a family, you know. Um, I would have a salary, everything looked like, man, this is the deal. And and then I'm thinking, and I'm gonna travel, going to the United States, great. But then, probably a few weeks before I'm getting ready to leave, I ran into a lady and she said, I heard you're going to uh uh she was a missionary that just came to that to that same church. She said, I heard you're going to the United States. What are you gonna do? I said, Well, I'm gonna be a nanny. I haven't decided which one yet, but that seemed like that's what I'm gonna do. She said, No, you're not. I'm like, I'm not. She said, No, you're going to Bible school. I'm like, I am. And in a another amazing, you know, God kind of orchestration, I had, but I had to make a choice. What do I do? Do I go be a nanny where everything financially is secure, everything is known, and it seems really good, or do I go to Bible school where by the way, I have to pay for Bible school, yeah, and I don't know where I'm gonna live, and I don't know what I'm gonna do, and all the unknown, and I was faced with that decision. And probably one week or two weeks, one week before I left, I one or two weeks before I left, I had to make that decision. And I said, you know what, I'm going to Bible school. And so that lady, she she actually made it possible. She reached out to a family she knew that would host me during the time I would go to Bible school. And you know, so long story short, I ended in Tarsha Oklahoma. I went to Bible school, and immediately after that, I I finished November 27, 1986, and then November 28, 1986, I started in the ministry.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

Oh wow, okay.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

Immediately.

SPEAKER_02 15:17

That's amazing, and it's been a wild ride ever since.

SPEAKER_01 15:21

It has been a wild ride. Well, I just knew, and then going, but just to add something, going to Bible school, uh, we were given an opportunity, two things happened to define my call. Um, we were given uh we were given um, I don't know at that time yet, I'm called to the ministry. Uh, in Bible school, there was a couple that were doing a small um like a one-week mission trip. You know, people some churches and schools do that. You can't expose people to the mission field. And it was to Haiti. And I'm just like, I just knew I had to go. I didn't even know I had never heard of Haiti. So I just heard and I was like, I've got to go. So I remember coming back, pulling the map, where is Haiti? And I'm like, okay, I'm going there. I had zero money, I didn't have any money. I'm living by faith. And thank God I'm staying with that family. You know, they were so sweet, so kind. And um, so I'm like, I'm going to Haiti. And within a few months, somebody gave me the exact amount I needed to go on that mission trip. And so I'm on that mission trip, and I remember that day we went to the mountain in a little hut that was a make-believe church with one little light bulb in the center. It was dark, and I could see I was drawn to an older man at the very back of the hut. And I'm drawn to him. I go to him and I lay hands on him to pray for him. I was my heart was filled with compassion for him. And I heard, I mean, it almost sounded like the audible voice of God that says, I am calling you to preach the gospel to the poor. And from that moment, I knew that I knew that I knew I was called to be a missionary. I just knew it. And the call to be a missionary started then, there. So from that moment on when I finished Bible school, I started with a mission ministry, and that's another story, because God opened a way. It was called the Tour Maker's Dream Impact Production. It was like a kind of like an off-Broadway show quality kind of production traveling all over the United States and in the world. And God opened a way in a miraculous way for me to be part of it, okay. Which was like a child dream I had, but I kind of buried. Never even thought, you know, but God made a way. I went with there and just, you know, we'd learned to to dance, to act, to do acrobatic and everything, and we did that show. And that show took us to Russia while it was still communist. We went there like two years in a row. We went in Eastern Europe, we went all over Europe. I mean, we went all over the place. All I think, I don't know how many, I think I did 48 states in the United States. So I traveled all over just preaching the gospel and without a word, but we also did um other shows in the high schools to help children, you know, not fall into the peer pressure and opportunity to preach the gospel to youth and teenagers. So that was amazing. So that was the my beginning in ministry.

SPEAKER_02 18:53

That's amazing. And so fast forward a little bit because you do teach on multiple different topics and everything. So tell us about your series on divine healing. I really love how you explain the differences in theology and that can really keep healing from happening in your life. And so I didn't know maybe any synopsis. What you could speak to on that, because I know it's a long topic.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

Yeah, well, I've always been a very strong, vibrant, energetic, full of life, healthy young woman. But then I always tell people, you know, how did you start in the healing ministry? I'm always asked that question. My answer is always the same. Well, I kill the lion, I kill the bear, and I kill the giant. And that's where my healing ministry started. Because I got married, and when I first got married, the Lord told me to put my ministry on hold for two years, which I didn't understand. For me, it was like carrying my cross. It was the dying to self, big time, because it was very tough. And those first two years, I got attacked in my body from you know, it started with a chemical imbalance of the brain, then it was a corporal tunnel syndrome, then it was back problem. Then one time as I was getting, I was gonna go with a little team in my church, I was gonna lead them to go to the jungle in Guatemala, I got attacked with acute appendicitis. And, you know, we should have canceled everything, I should have gone to have surgery, but you know, and then finally I got attacked with bone cancer. And so every one of those attacks, then back problem, you know, it was every one of those attacks, I would say, was a part of my journey of healing ministry, because in every case I did not apply formula, I did not apply 10 step two, which I had learned in Bible school. In Bible school, we learn all on healing, learn on faith. But while I was there, it was like I had developed such a relationship with the Holy Spirit in my first 13 years of ministry. As a missionary alone, because I would travel alone, as a missionary alone on the mission field, I had to learn to walk with the Holy Spirit. He was leading me step by step, warning me, protecting me. But I had developed, and oftentimes I think, would I want to do it like that again? I don't think so. But had I not done it that way, I would not have developed such a strong relationship with the Holy Spirit where I can lean on him. And so my healing journeys, every one of them, I look at it, it's me going to the Holy Spirit and allowing him to instruct me, to warn me, to guide me, to tell me, do this, don't do that. And by simply hearing him and obeying him, on the other side, there was always a miracle. Healing and manifestation, and I can look at everyone. So, my way, and you know what happened when it's one thing to learn war in boot camp, yeah, and it's another way to know you're a fighter, and you can find and win when you overcame in the war. You know what I mean? There is a difference, depth. There is a difference. I mean, we can all teach on healing, and we all should, whether we've gone through things or not, we all should still, but when you've you've fought and overcame and conquered and won, there is another layer of I would say anointing and authority in the message. Sure. That you might you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 22:55

I do, yeah, absolutely. And that speaks to sort of the next question: how would you tell someone to walk out power and authority in the Lord? And what do you feel is sort of that right position for people to hold in that?

SPEAKER_01 23:08

Well, you know, um, it's amazing because I was just doing a whole teaching on healing for all of over Asia, and um that is the key, the same key that I said, healing is not something we do, healing is a person, and it's a person who lives on the inside of us. So I always tell people the key to your miracle and to your healing is not so much to go here and there, but is to go to God, and you know, and because I I meet a lot of people that they run to and fro to find the key to healing, and they are wary, they're tired, they're disillusioned, they're heavy laden, they're like and I I hear people tell me that all the time. I've done everything, I've done this, I've done that, I've done though, and I've done everything, and and nothing is happening, I'm not healed. And I tell people that's the reason why you've done everything. You know, the Bible says there is a way that seems right to man, Proverbs 14, 12, but in the end, it's death. Because God tells us, don't lean on your own understanding, don't lean on your own wisdom. In all of your ways, acknowledge him. And to me, that's the key to the miracle, and that's the key of living a life of rest. We should never strive and work to get healed or to do anything in the kingdom. Anything in the kingdom is walking into the rest. Jesus says, Come to me, all of you who are heavy laden and tired, and I will give you rest. For my yoke is easy, my burden means that come to me and learn from me. That's an invitation to come to God to hear from him as for us his instruction, what to do. Because the truth is, Jesus has already obtained healing for us. Healing is a done deal. By his stripes, we were healed. If we were healed, we are healed. So healing is not something God's gonna give to us, healing is something he has already given. But here is another bit of good news. Jesus knew, God knew that even though we would know that, okay, here are all the blessings of God, we might not know how to get to it. So he sent the Holy Spirit. He said, Thanks be to God, who always lead us to triumph or to victory. So the Holy Spirit will lead us, guide us, instruct us, warn us. That's what the Holy Spirit is called to do. So that's what we have to do. That life of rest that Jesus is talking about is going to him. We have a relationship to talk to him, to love on him, to listen to him, talk to him, and then let him talk to you. And the Holy Spirit will instruct you. Do this, don't do that, do it like this, don't do it that. And and as he speaks, just obey, do it. You know, that's what Mary did when she needed a miracle in a wedding. I mean, obviously, she was close to the family, and she knew that not having wine in a wedding would have been a big issue. So she told to the servant, you see that guy over there, go to him. Whatever he tells you to do, do it. The servants went to Jesus, Jesus told them what to do, they heard, and by the way, faith comes by healing. And they heard, they obeyed, and on the other side of the hearing and obeying, there was a miracle. That is the key to healing. It's all about relationship, and that's the place of rest because the pressure, the the the striving, and the pressure is not on us to try to figure out and and do this and do that. I'm gonna do this and confess, confess and do this and do that, and I'm gonna quit my medicine, I'm gonna go to the doctor. And people are striving, thinking it's faith, but they are in works. And when you are in works, you are not in grace. And if you're not in grace, there's no power, and that's where people miss it. So being in that place of rest, which is a place of relationship with God, we go to God, we have to fix our eyes on him because he is the author, the finisher of our faith, which maybe we might worship him, speak to him, bless him, being thankful, remembering everything he's done for us. So that stirs up gratitude and worship and thanksgiving. Pretty soon our eyes are on him, and as our eyes are on him, faith comes because he speaks to us, and then we just do it. And on the other side, there is the miracle, and we are in that place of rest. That's how I've lived every one of my healings, and this is how it works. It's all about relationship with a God who is living, who loves us, who did everything, but just wants to talk to us, to guide us, to lead us, and lead us in that place of victory and healing.

SPEAKER_02 29:00

Oh, it's so good. You spoke to this just a minute ago, but can you speak to understanding the Trinity and how that plays out in relationship with God? Because I think people will have, you know, relationships with just one part of the Trinity and then they'll forget the other two. And I'm like, but it's three and one.

SPEAKER_01 29:16

So maybe speak to that. Well, um, the Trinity is from the beginning in Genesis 1:1. God Elohim said, you know, he spoke the word, which is Jesus, and the spirit was hovering over the waters, which is the Holy Spirit, but the Father is the architect, Jesus is the vessel, the Holy Spirit, Spirit is the build, the one who does it, is the power. And so that's the same thing in our life. The father is the father to whom we speak to, is who we have a relationship with. And we can have a relationship with the father because of Jesus, who was that bridge, that vessel, that that sacrifice, the word made flesh. And we can have a relationship because of Jesus with the Father through the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit is the one who will take what is in the Father's heart and communicate it to us. So, yes, we speak our relationship is with the Father, but it's because of Jesus, the Word, and through the Holy Spirit, who is the one communicating. You know, I love in the French Bible, Paul always ended all of his letters by may the love of the Father, the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the communication of the Holy Spirit be with you. You see, the Father is the one who loves us, who is a father, we're no longer orphans. Jesus is the one who brought the grace, the vessel of grace, the word made flesh, the bridge between us and the father. And the Holy Spirit is the one who communicated the will of the Father to Jesus, because Jesus could not and did not do anything without the Holy Spirit. You know, Jesus said, I don't do anything out of my own initiative, but only what I hear and see from the Father. And so Jesus did because of the Holy Spirit, communicating to him through vision, through words. And that's how Jesus worked with the Father. But this is exactly how we do it. The Father is our Father, the one who loves us, the one who deserves all of our love because of Jesus. And so we glorify Jesus because he's the one who enabled us to have that relationship with the Father. And then we commune to the Father through the Holy Spirit, he's the one talking. So we talk to the Father, but the Holy Spirit will be the one speaking, revealing, warning, teaching, doing everything and glorifying always Jesus. The Holy Spirit never glorifies himself, but you always glorify Jesus. And and when we glorify Jesus, we can have that relationship with the Father. That's how the Trinity works.

SPEAKER_02 32:36

That is so, so good. How would you encourage someone to walk out a promise from God, but they haven't seen it come true in their lives yet? So it could be anything from a healing, from relationships, jobs, these things that we're believing for. I just personally know a lot of people that are believing for so many things, but we haven't seen it come true yet.

SPEAKER_01 32:59

Well, there's two factors that I would say. Number one, if it's a promise, something that has already been promised and given through Jesus Christ, which, you know, um healing is part of it, salvation is part of it, the baptism in the Holy Spirit, you know, prosperity is part of it, which is means having a life in abundance, in overflow, so we can bless others. That's the prosperity I'm talking about. And everything that has been done in Christ and through Christ, we should be able to expect it now. Jesus said, Today is the day of salvation, but sometimes there are some promises that needs time and different things to come to in place for it to be fulfilled. Like, for example, I'll give an example. In 1986, the Lord gave me a word through a pastor saying, God is calling you back to your people. Well, I didn't understand that word. I'm like, okay, but I put it on the shelf. That word was fulfilled 20 years later to the month, to the week. When I was for the first time in Switzerland, between France and and I was teaching for the first time in the French language, which before I would always teach and preach in English. For the first time, I'm teaching in France to French people in French, and I hear God speak to me from behind. This is what I spoke to you 20 years ago. So you see, there was a word and a promise spoken to me 20 years, but it took 20 years for that word to come to pass. The same thing, I had received a word that I would get married and I would meet my husband by the ocean. It was like a I remember I had a dream, and then I had a word, and I saw me meeting my husband by, and I when I had the dream, I was in the city of Tempa ministering there, and I had a dream that I would meet my husband by the ocean. And did you know that it was oh, I'm trying to think how many years later? It was probably seven years later that I met my husband in the city of Tempa. It took, I had a dream and a word, but that word took seven years to come to pass. There are things sometimes like that, promises made, promises given, but they have to do with people, time, space, and what God needs to do in us and through us before those things can happen. So you see, there's two different things here. Healing, I said, you don't have to wait. It's not, you know, later. Healing, you can set yourself in a place and in a position that healing has been given, but now I go to God and Lord say, Okay, Lord, I exercise authority, number one. I don't pray, beg, or ask God to heal me. No, I face the sickness, I face the symptom, I speak to it in Jesus' name. That's what Jesus said. Heal the sick. In another word, exercise authority. Jesus never told us to pray for the sick. He said, Heal the sick, which is speak to the mountain, speak to the body, speak to the sickness. So when it comes to those kinds of things, we don't have to wait. We should always know that today is the day of salvation. And when we speak about salvation, healing is salvation, it's sozo, so terrible, which means salvation of our soul, salvation, deliverance, prosperity, healing. All of that means today. I don't have to wait for it. But if you're not seeing the manifestation, that means that the devil is hindering something somewhere. So instead of kicking and screaming and trying everything, here again, go to the Lord, enter into the rest, go to him, listen to fix your eyes on Jesus, worship, thank him, remember what he did for you in the past, and that stirs up faith, and then God, you hear God, and whatever he says to do, just do it. But for those other promises that have to do with people that have to do, you see, my husband, when I had the dream seven years before, and I had that word, he was married. He was married, he had another wife, but then God gave me the dream, but that that wife died of cancer, and it's and then God spoke to my husband and said, Start praying for your new wife. So six months after her passing, she was a wonderful woman. But six months after, because he had such a good marriage, he wanted another one. So he prayed for his new wife six months later, and then it was a few months later that we met in Tempa. So there are promises that, you know, like I said, we have to make a difference. Has this been something paid by the blood of Jesus already given? Or is it something like a husband, a job, a situation, whatever that is, things that may be required, time, the when, the what, the where, you know, so in those times, my my advice is to do exactly what Sarah and Abraham did. They re like here it is, they received a promise, you shall have a son. And we see the error that Sarah did. She tried to do things in her own way in her own way. And I mean, it caused a big problem, a big issue, right? But then finally, when God finally revealed and said, No, you're gonna have a child through Sarah, and she heard it. But then the Bible says, Hebrew 11 11, that all these years, I think it was 25 years from the time God spoke to Abraham, he was 75 years, to the time he actually received the promise when he was a hundred years old. 25 years is a is a long time. But the Bible says, one, that Abraham received strength, and he what does it say that he did not consider his body already dead and the and the deadness of Sarah's womb, but he received strength by glorified God and knew that he who promised was faithful to bring it to pass. So the thing that Abraham did, he refused to look at what was happening at his body, at Sarah's, at everything he could see, feel, and hear, but he kept his eyes on the word, the promise, on the promise, and he kept glorifying God. I love or see what also what Sarah did. In Hebrew 11, 11, it said that Sarah received strength because she considered him faithful, who had promised. How did she do? I mean, what is I can just imagine Sarah what she did when she felt weak, when she felt like she was kind of, you know, kind of doubting or wandering and feeling tired of waiting. I knew exactly what she did. How did she consider God faithful? She had a pep talk. She she told Sarah, remember, remember when God told you to leave your home, homeland? How God, you didn't know where you were going, but God provided every step of the way. Sarah, do you remember when there was in the middle of the famine? How God multiplied and made you so rich in the middle of the famine that even people around you were jealous. It reminded her that if God did it yesterday, last year, 10 years ago, God was gonna do it again. He was faithful to his word. God spoke, and God was gonna, and so during that time, she stayed strong. She glorified God, she reminded herself that God was faithful. And so that took a lot of putting your eyes on God, remembering what he did, telling her yourself what he did, worshiping God. You know, in my house, right behind me, somewhere there, there is a jar, we call it a jar, a gratitude jar. Because you know what we do every time God does something for us, small, medium, or big, we'll write it on a piece of paper and then we'll put it in that jar. And at the beginning of the year, on January 1st, my husband and I, we just build a fire in the fireplace, we make a hot chocolate, and then we take communion, and then we open our gratitude jar and we read every one of the things. Why? Because we set ourselves for a new year where we remind ourselves that God is good, God is faithful, and God is powerful. And if He's done it last year, he's gonna do it even, he's gonna do it next year and even better, because God always takes us from faith to face, from glory to glory, and so that way, and as we take communion, we know that whatever challenge we will face, we're gonna go through because God did it. Whatever need we have, we know that God's gonna be met because God did it, and so that stores that gratitude on us, and gratitude is a key to faith and walking with God on a long haul, you know. Your promise is taking time to manifest, then you gotta choose. It's a choice, you have to be intentional to remember, and you know, doing that gratitude is for us to remember because it's so easy to forget. And you know, every time I read those little notes, I'm like, oh my gosh, I forgot about that. My husband and I, we say that all the I forgot that God did that, I forgot that God did that. How easy it is to forget, and that's the problem of the children of Israel in the desert. They forgot all the things that God did. And so, if we can remember what God has done, it will strengthen our faith and remind us that if God did it, he's gonna do it again. So, you know, there is a verse I love in Luke 11. It's a little widow that approached an unjust judge. I love that Jesus talked about faith, but he gave that illustration to tell the people that you know, sometimes things you know what's yours, but things take time. So, what will your attitude be when it it takes time to manifest? And so Jesus was telling that story about that little lady that approached and then judged judge. So we knew I wasn't God because he said, I don't fear God and I don't care about people. So he wasn't talking about God, he was really talking about the devil. And and and Jesus said, That little widow approached, she knew her arrives, she approached the judge and says, Avenge me of my enemy. And then Jesus says, Listen to what the judge said. And what did he say? Lest she weares me because of her continual coming, I will give it to her. Now, when people hear that and they hear continual coming, they immediately think asking again and again and again and again. That's not faith. Jesus says, if you ask, you receive, if you knock, it's open. If you seek, you find. So that got me into looking a little deeper. And I saw that word continual coming. I went into the Greek, though I'm not a Greek scholar, but I've got a good concordance. And I saw that the continual coming, it's the compound word in Greek that says eis telos erkomi, which means to come, to be set until the end. And then on the verse 8, Jesus says, When the Son of Man comes back on the earth, will he find faith on the earth? So what Jesus was saying, that little widow, it's not that she came and asked again and again and again. No, she had a tenacious attitude when she came to the judge and said, Hey, mister, I know my rights, I know what belongs to me, so you know what? Know right now that I will never give up. I'm gonna come before your door, I'm gonna camp if I need to, and I will not quit. I will come and I will be set until the end. I will never give up. I refuse to capitulate until you give me what's mine. And the unjudged judge said, Lest she wearies me, I'm gonna go with that kind of attitude, I'm gonna give it to her. So if the devil can suspect that kind of attitude in us, which is perseverance, and you remember, Hebrews 6.12 says, with faith and perseverance or patience, you shall receive the promise. You see, faith is know what's ours, come to God, hear. And when we know, man, that's mine, that's it. But sometimes we need that perseverance, that tenacity. Why? Because there is an enemy that doesn't automatically want to let it go. And so that means we have that same tenacity to say, sickness, let it be known between you and I that I will not capitulate, I will not give up until it's done. So you might as well give up right now. And if the devil can and sickness and symptoms, and and the devil can suspect that kind of tenacity, that's what I call spiritual violence. You see, Matthew 11, 12 says the kingdom of God suffers violence, but the violent will take it by force. It's a spiritual violence that is full of conviction, that is full of tenacity, and that is full of, I am not giving up. I'm gonna, you know, and see if if we can have that conviction that God has already given us whatever He promised, and we are willing to be tenacious and to persevere, the devil is gonna say, Well, I might as well let it go. That's how it works.

SPEAKER_02 49:46

Amen. That was so, so good. Can you tell us about some of the divine healing that you've seen, like when you've been out ministering, like in the different French-speaking countries? Because you do minister in a lot of those places.

SPEAKER_01 50:01

Well, one that comes to me immediately. I was in um, I was in France, um between Switzerland and France. It was like a little town that is right there, and I was actually doing a businessman meeting. And they had brought a bunch of people, and they brought to me a lady in a wheelchair. Uh, her husband had was very violent, had beat her up to the point where her spinal cord had been uh severed and compromised. So she was now completely, you know, in a wheelchair. And the doctor said, ma'am, just you need to accept, you need to, you know, resign yourself to it. Um, we can do there's nothing we can do for you. Just accept it and learn to live with it. That's the way you're gonna have to start to adapt yourself to it. And they brought her to me, and I remember seeing her with such a depressed look on her face. And of course, you know, when you deal with that, you know, somebody in a wheelchair, oftentimes you think, you know, you see those sometimes those um like Jacko and William Brannham kind of healing, and you feel like, yeah, I'm gonna jerk her out of the wheelchair. And sometimes it happened like that. I came to her wanting to pray for her, but immediately I heard the Holy Spirit say these words. She will have to stand up on the inside before she can stand up on the outside. And I've at those words, it was like a spiritual download where I knew exactly what he was talking about, what he meant. That woman was like accepting the situation, thinking that's the way it's gonna be. And what God was telling me to was telling me, she has to stand up, she has to say no to sickness, like a righteous anger that says no, enough is enough. Because here is the problem: sickness has become so common, so familiar that most people think that, and it's gonna sound like a huge oxymoron, but people feel and think that sickness is part of life, it's something that's part of today's life, we gotta accept want to live with it, and and it in some circle, it's even not only accepted, but celebrated. In those days, sometimes, if you are, you know, if you have a handicap or a sickness or whatever, you get some you know, bonus and privilege, and you know, and so it's become more and more common, accepted, even familiar, and celebrated. Which it's a whole culture and a whole mentality that we have to come against. And so, right there, I had the Holy Ghost was telling me she's gonna have to stand up on the inside, meaning she's gonna have to say no and get angry on the inside before she will see a manifestation on the outside. So, in in a little time, I had to explain to her that the Bible says that we have to hate evil in all of its form. We have to say no to sickness because sickness comes from the devil. I had to give her a minute teaching saying, do not accept, do not resign yourself to it, but say no. And so I taught her a little bit about, you know, even the Bible, Paul in Ephesians chapter 6, verse 24 through 26, Paul gives a command, say, be angry and do not sin, and do not let the sun come down on your anger, nor do you give place to the devil. You know, he was quoting Psalm 4:4 when in the context, if you look at it, it's talking about coming against sin, injustice, evil. That was the context. And so Paul in Ephesians 6 wasn't telling, hey, if you get angry at your spouse, you better make up and kiss up before you go to bed. That's not what Paul was saying. He was saying no to evil, no get angry at injustice because sickness is injustice. Say no to unrighteousness, say no to sin, say no to sin, get angry, nor let the sun come. That means don't lose that type of righteous anger. You know, that same anger that Jesus had when he made whip in the temple and he overturned the money tables. That was righteous anger. So there is an anger that is not sin. The type of anger we must develop on the inside of us against sin and sickness and all the injustice and the unrighteousness of Satan. And so I taught her that, and then I taught her a little bit about, you know, that healing was something that was already done, that lived on the inside of her, and then I gave her, you know, taught her a little bit, some of the things I shared with you. And and so then I prayed for her, you know. And a couple of months later, I received an email where she said, Audrey, she said, I'm not walking, but I'm moving my toes. So I said, Hallelujah, praise God. You see, most people they want instantaneous healing, or they think it's not from God. No, sometimes we have to push, push, like you know, like the um the little widow said, I'm gonna not gonna give up because I know that healing belongs to me. And so I said, rejoice, celebrate that little, you know, that little bit of victory. But then I remember just about 10 months to 12 months later, I went back in the same region. And so now I'm teaching in that in that in a different church, in a church, and I see a lady on the corner of my eye with a big old smile, beautiful. And at the end of the service, she walks with me. She had a crotch, but she walks towards me. And she's like, Do you recognize me, Audrey? And I'm like, Yeah, you look familiar, but I don't recognize tell me. And she said, I'm the lady you had prayed for, and you said I had to stand up on the inside before I could stand up on the outside. And she told me her story that it took her several months to grab a hold of a healing, but she would not give up. She was tenacious because she knew that healing belonged to her, and she refused to give up, and she walked, and then she told me, I now have a job, and she said, My next thing is I'm gonna get my driver's license. And I'm like, Thank you, Jesus. You see, and and and I have seen many healings like that, but I've also seen instantaneous healing that really had. I remember one time I was in Ethiopia and I had preached on the Holy Spirit, and the service had gone very long. Hundreds of people had received the baptism in the spirit, and I see that I and and I pray for everybody, and I see the taxi outside the church, and so my feet are hurting, I'm hungry, I'm hot, I'm tired. All I'm thinking about, you know, really spiritual, right? I'm thinking about I want to get in that taxi, I want to go home, I want to rest, eat. And as I'm heading outside towards the taxi, a lady puts her hand on me and said, and I'm like, okay. Well, come to find out she was completely deaf. She was deaf from birth, never heard a word in her life. But I feel zero anointing. What I can feel is heart hungry and tired. But I knew, you see, I knew number one, that I had authority, and number two, that the anointing of God was in me. Not because I felt it, but because I knew it. And so, and I knew also that that lady had faith. Come to find out she had got up in the middle of the night, walked for I don't know how long, got in a few, you know, buses to get to the church. Wow. To faith and determination. So I'm like, I'm like, that lady is ready. So all I did, I put my fingers first, I tested her to discover if she could hear anything, which she couldn't. Zero. Then I put my finger in her ears and I just commend it in Jesus' name, ears. Open. That was it. And then I went behind her, tested her again. She could hear perfectly. She said something popped. And I even walked back to the end of the church to see how good her hearing was, and she could still hear me.

SPEAKER_02 59:24

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 59:25

So we have authority in Jesus' name.

SPEAKER_02 59:30

That's right. And that woman, I'm sure, is grateful. Oh, yeah. Yes. And that changed her life forever. And that's what Jesus does, which is amazing.

SPEAKER_01 59:42

Which we are called to do. That's right. Jesus said, the same work that I did, shall you do also even greater works? Every one of us I call to do the same thing. Exercise authority, heal the sick, cast that demon, bring peace in people's life, that's and salvation, that's our call.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:02

Yeah, yeah. Amen. So if you could tell someone to chase after Jesus and pursue redemption, what would you say?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:13

I would say, you know, if it's somebody that doesn't know the Lord, I would say seek truth. Because I talk to Muslims, I talk to atheists, I talk to all kinds of people, skeptical. And how do you persuade a Muslim that Jesus is the way? You cannot prove that to him, but you can tell them. If you are sincere, if you are truthful, if you really want to know the truth, I say seek truth, talk to God, whatever his name is, talk to God, God in heaven, show me the truth, lead me to the truth, and truth will be revealed to you because Jesus is the truth, and he's a big guy. The Holy Spirit will reveal him. We cannot convince people, that's not our job. We can just point people to the truth, and so I can tell somebody, you know, well, give scriptures and get into a big, you know, theological debate that will go nowhere. Or I can talk about my and testimony, is powerful. Because testimony is the spirit of prophecy. What happened to me can happen to you and will happen to you. And so I share my testimony, which is powerful, and then I point people to the truth. I said, Would you want to know love and truth? And people want to know love and truth. And I say, Well, talk to God with a big G. Don't even have to put a name. Talk to God and say, Lord, would you please reveal truth and love to me? And the Holy Spirit will do his job to draw that person to the heart of Jesus and reveal that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:13

Would you mind praying us out today?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:16

Yes, thank you for asking me. Hallelujah. Oh, God is so good. Christianity is not about a bunch of do's and thinks we've gotta, you know, go to church, read your Bible, pray. Christianity is about entering in a relationship with the living God who loves us, who is not against us, but he's for us. So I pray for every one of you that are hearing this message under the sound of my voice. I pray that you would have a greater revelation of the love of God, that you would have a greater hunger to know Jesus and embark into this love story, to go on a date with Jesus and to be filled with the Spirit of God, the one who leads you to truth, the one who empowers you, the one who opens the scriptures, the one who glorifies and reveals Jesus, the one who speaks to you and comforts you and edify you and lead you and warn you and teach you. My prayer to you is that you would be filled with the Holy Spirit, with the evidence of speaking in another tongue, so that out of your belly would flow rivers of living water. For this is what Jesus has promised to those who hunger and thirst. And that I pray that let it be your testimony that you thirst, you hunger, and you be filled with the Holy Spirit, and that you speak like Isaiah 28 says, Oh, with with unknown tongues shall you talk to your people, for this is the rest that I have for you. I my prayer for you is that you would no longer strive to do and don't do, but that you would enter that rest by entering in a relationship with God, by inviting the Holy Spirit, by praying in the Spirit directly to the Father, enter into that place of rest in the name of Jesus. Open your mouth now and speak in new tongues as the Spirit gives you that divine ability in Jesus' name. You know, that's exactly what little children do. Receiving the kingdom like a little child, opening the mouth and speaking. You don't understand it, but it doesn't matter. In the name of Jesus. Amen and amen. Thank you. You're welcome. I I had great, great pleasure.